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]]> By: mom http://winbackyourlife.org/will-ignition-interlocks-end-drunk-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-243 mom Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:57:35 +0000 http://winbackyourlife.org/?p=771#comment-243 You will never make alcohol illegal because the states make money off it.Did you ever look up "Get Mad" on the net and see what the people at Madd get paid. Its all money and does not to help anyone.I believe people should try AA as I know it can work and the courts should get them there.That interlock is a joke as anyone could set beside you and blow into it. I don't drink at all but I have seen family fall apart and end up on welfare because they can't drive to work.Most people arn't drunk at .08 and get in more trouble the a sex offender. This I don't understand You will never make alcohol illegal because the states make money off it.Did you ever look up “Get Mad” on the net and see what the people at Madd get paid. Its all money and does not to help anyone.I believe people should try AA as I know it can work and the courts should get them there.That interlock is a joke as anyone could set beside you and blow into it. I don’t drink at all but I have seen family fall apart and end up on welfare because they can’t drive to work.Most people arn’t drunk at .08 and get in more trouble the a sex offender. This I don’t understand

]]> By: carolyn http://winbackyourlife.org/will-ignition-interlocks-end-drunk-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-227 carolyn Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:56:58 +0000 http://winbackyourlife.org/?p=771#comment-227 Don't kid yourself people those interlocks are an inconvience at most. My husband got a DWI he just put the interlock on an old car and takes it to the interlock place once a month besides that he never drives that car. He drives his new car. Don't get me wrong I think drinking and driving is wrong but the only way to stop it is to make alcohol illegal and even then you always have your rebels. As a trauma nurse I can tell you that people die more from driving and talking on the cell phone than from drunk driving. You can always find a fight out there. Don't waste your time hitting your head against a wall. Alcoholics don't give a shit. They don't think thats why they drink they don't want to think. If a person is drinking and driving put them in jail quit with the f-ing interlocks, the fines and the classes they don't work. My husband pays the fines no sweat off his back he's loaded and the classes he said were a joke. DWI two comes a long and basically the fines get bigger and the interlock is on the car for another year big deal he doesn't drive it anyway. Put them in jail. Your not helping my husband or any other alcoholic by making them pad the city's pocket. Let them sit in jail and get them alcohol counseling while behind bars that helps the alocholic and it will keep them off the road. Better yet make alcohol illegal. Don’t kid yourself people those interlocks are an inconvience at most. My husband got a DWI he just put the interlock on an old car and takes it to the interlock place once a month besides that he never drives that car. He drives his new car. Don’t get me wrong I think drinking and driving is wrong but the only way to stop it is to make alcohol illegal and even then you always have your rebels. As a trauma nurse I can tell you that people die more from driving and talking on the cell phone than from drunk driving. You can always find a fight out there. Don’t waste your time hitting your head against a wall. Alcoholics don’t give a shit. They don’t think thats why they drink they don’t want to think. If a person is drinking and driving put them in jail quit with the f-ing interlocks, the fines and the classes they don’t work. My husband pays the fines no sweat off his back he’s loaded and the classes he said were a joke. DWI two comes a long and basically the fines get bigger and the interlock is on the car for another year big deal he doesn’t drive it anyway. Put them in jail. Your not helping my husband or any other alcoholic by making them pad the city’s pocket. Let them sit in jail and get them alcohol counseling while behind bars that helps the alocholic and it will keep them off the road. Better yet make alcohol illegal.

]]> By: JohnH. http://winbackyourlife.org/will-ignition-interlocks-end-drunk-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-128 JohnH. Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:25:50 +0000 http://winbackyourlife.org/?p=771#comment-128 Thank you for this most informative article. I spent yesterday with my AA sponsee at the Secretary of State supporting him as he petitioned for reinstatement of his license after a 2nd DUI (now with 18 months of sobriety!). As an active member of AA, I see many people come to meetings per Court order after a 1st or 2nd DUI. Luckily, that gets a few, maybe even half, to choose sobriety. I tend to think the interlock program, as it stands, is probably the best situation to keep people working (and going to meetings/therapy to address their issues) and to deter drinking and driving. I am concerned, however, with the cost. People who have received a DUI can expect to pay $1,000 in fines...approx. $3,000 in attorney fees, $300 in court ordered counseling...$1,000 ($2,000 2nd offense) in responsibility fees and the final salt to the wound, $125 reinstatement fees for the license (double dipping, imho, they've already paid twice in fines and 'responsibility' fees). We can't forget the increase in insurance rates after jacking up the points on their license. Do they deserve to pay for their actions? Absolutely! However, given the poverty rates in this state...I can't tell you how many people come in to the program and either can't get to work and lose their job, or get cited for driving on a suspended because they couldn't pay fines and feed their families. This roller coaster of driving on suspended, additional fines, continued loss of driving privileges continues ad nauseum for many. Who suffers here? The family, the children particularly, and they are the last who should pay for their fathers sins, so to speak. My sponsee was one who got to this point, paying everything, managing rides, and keeping his job...only to get hit with a $100 per month on top of all he has already paid. His family continues to suffer while the state rakes in the money. Then maybe the spouse leaves with the kids, now our alcoholic has child support on top of it all, which he can't pay since he can't work steadily...spouse goes on State aid for income, food and insurance. I can't tell you how common this scenario is, I can't help believe there isn't a better way, that may include the interlock system for those who have had DUI offences. The thought of this going national to EVERY driver just terrifies me, particularly in this economy where people are already having issues keeping a roof over their head. I suggest you contact your State representative and remind them this isn't a perfect situation by any means, and that thought has to be given to the domino affect, rather than just the issue at hand. Don't get me wrong, I strongly agree that the interlock has it's place in this scenario...but aren't there other options? A portable, hand-held system that would just alert the authorities that one is consuming alcohol during restricted times? That would appear to be less costly, and as long as we're keeping repeat offenders off the road, why not just restrict their drinking generally during a specific period, as they obviously have some issues with poor judgement as it relates to alcohol. Again, I don't have the answer, but maybe if other people thought about it and made suggestions to the powers that be, they would! Let's get a little less passive about issues that matter, rather than complaining no one else has come up with something better. Thank you for this most informative article. I spent yesterday with my AA sponsee at the Secretary of State supporting him as he petitioned for reinstatement of his license after a 2nd DUI (now with 18 months of sobriety!). As an active member of AA, I see many people come to meetings per Court order after a 1st or 2nd DUI. Luckily, that gets a few, maybe even half, to choose sobriety. I tend to think the interlock program, as it stands, is probably the best situation to keep people working (and going to meetings/therapy to address their issues) and to deter drinking and driving. I am concerned, however, with the cost. People who have received a DUI can expect to pay $1,000 in fines…approx. $3,000 in attorney fees, $300 in court ordered counseling…$1,000 ($2,000 2nd offense) in responsibility fees and the final salt to the wound, $125 reinstatement fees for the license (double dipping, imho, they’ve already paid twice in fines and ‘responsibility’ fees). We can’t forget the increase in insurance rates after jacking up the points on their license. Do they deserve to pay for their actions? Absolutely! However, given the poverty rates in this state…I can’t tell you how many people come in to the program and either can’t get to work and lose their job, or get cited for driving on a suspended because they couldn’t pay fines and feed their families. This roller coaster of driving on suspended, additional fines, continued loss of driving privileges continues ad nauseum for many. Who suffers here? The family, the children particularly, and they are the last who should pay for their fathers sins, so to speak. My sponsee was one who got to this point, paying everything, managing rides, and keeping his job…only to get hit with a $100 per month on top of all he has already paid. His family continues to suffer while the state rakes in the money. Then maybe the spouse leaves with the kids, now our alcoholic has child support on top of it all, which he can’t pay since he can’t work steadily…spouse goes on State aid for income, food and insurance. I can’t tell you how common this scenario is, I can’t help believe there isn’t a better way, that may include the interlock system for those who have had DUI offences.

The thought of this going national to EVERY driver just terrifies me, particularly in this economy where people are already having issues keeping a roof over their head. I suggest you contact your State representative and remind them this isn’t a perfect situation by any means, and that thought has to be given to the domino affect, rather than just the issue at hand.

Don’t get me wrong, I strongly agree that the interlock has it’s place in this scenario…but aren’t there other options? A portable, hand-held system that would just alert the authorities that one is consuming alcohol during restricted times? That would appear to be less costly, and as long as we’re keeping repeat offenders off the road, why not just restrict their drinking generally during a specific period, as they obviously have some issues with poor judgement as it relates to alcohol.

Again, I don’t have the answer, but maybe if other people thought about it and made suggestions to the powers that be, they would! Let’s get a little less passive about issues that matter, rather than complaining no one else has come up with something better.

]]> By: ptbarone http://winbackyourlife.org/will-ignition-interlocks-end-drunk-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-116 ptbarone Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:16:16 +0000 http://winbackyourlife.org/?p=771#comment-116 He will be required to have an ignition interlock on his vehicle. The only other option is full restoration, which can happen, but happens rarely. If full restoration was accomplised, then there would be no interlock. He will be required to have an ignition interlock on his vehicle. The only other option is full restoration, which can happen, but happens rarely. If full restoration was accomplised, then there would be no interlock.

]]> By: mary ann http://winbackyourlife.org/will-ignition-interlocks-end-drunk-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-113 mary ann Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:51:22 +0000 http://winbackyourlife.org/?p=771#comment-113 my dad was convicted of dwi in 1988 and lost licence his for 10 years and has never recived his license.now he is elegible and done everything possible to get it back and was told that there was a new law stating that an interlock would have to be installed in his vehicle yet he dont need.I would like to know if this is a retro law. my dad was convicted of dwi in 1988 and lost licence his for 10 years and has never recived his license.now he is elegible and done everything possible to get it back and was told that there was a new law stating that an interlock would have to be installed in his vehicle yet he dont need.I would like to know if this is a retro law.

]]> By: ptbarone http://winbackyourlife.org/will-ignition-interlocks-end-drunk-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-104 ptbarone Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:43:55 +0000 http://winbackyourlife.org/?p=771#comment-104 Hi Debra, Thank you for your thoughtful and informative response. I hope that readers don’t interpret my opinion as being that interlocks don’t ever work. I have no doubt that interlocks work well the majority of the time, and I agree that interlocks serve a valuable function. For example I am much in favor of requiring interlocks for repeat offenders as an alternative to license revocation. As it stands now a repeat offender in Michigan is subject to lifetime license revocation. I’d much rather see repeat offenders allowed to continue driving after conviction with the requirement that they only drive an interlock equipped car. This would better protect society and would allow the repeat offender to stay employed. Otherwise, a repeat offender with a license revocation may find a way to drive a car with no interlock thereby creating the potential for the most dangerous combination. However, I am adamantly opposed to any requirement that ALL drivers be subjected to laws requiring interlocks. I believe this is unworkable for many of the reasons stated in my article. I will be happy to try out an interlock device, I just need to be sure my clients and colleagues who might see me use it know it's not court ordered! Hi Debra,

Thank you for your thoughtful and informative response. I hope that readers don’t interpret my opinion as being that interlocks don’t ever work. I have no doubt that interlocks work well the majority of the time, and I agree that interlocks serve a valuable function. For example I am much in favor of requiring interlocks for repeat offenders as an alternative to license revocation. As it stands now a repeat offender in Michigan is subject to lifetime license revocation. I’d much rather see repeat offenders allowed to continue driving after conviction with the requirement that they only drive an interlock equipped car. This would better protect society and would allow the repeat offender to stay employed. Otherwise, a repeat offender with a license revocation may find a way to drive a car with no interlock thereby creating the potential for the most dangerous combination. However, I am adamantly opposed to any requirement that ALL drivers be subjected to laws requiring interlocks. I believe this is unworkable for many of the reasons stated in my article.

I will be happy to try out an interlock device, I just need to be sure my clients and colleagues who might see me use it know it’s not court ordered!

]]> By: Debra Coffey http://winbackyourlife.org/will-ignition-interlocks-end-drunk-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-97 Debra Coffey Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:25:45 +0000 http://winbackyourlife.org/?p=771#comment-97 Ignition Interlocks are a tool to separate drinking from driving. Proper use eliminates false positives. The majority of interlock clients don't have any issues with the use of their interlock device and are able to follow their interlock use requirements. Occasionally, we have clients who have failure issues and do not always follow the program instructions they were given. Our typical client base are individuals, who have had a DWI, spend time and money toward their defense, if unlucky, are sentenced, then told they have to go install an interlock, and guess what, “they have to pay for it”. They are not the most cooperative customers, they at times take their anger out on us, since they were unable to take their real anger out on the court, and they feel like they have been taken advantage of, we are the final step. The client with this mind set goes into the interlock experience uncooperative, looking for opportunities to say their interlock does not work. In the past, The State of Michigan has not required interlocks to be Fuel Cell Devices; they have allowed semiconductor interlock devices, also known as Taguchi Cell, T-Cell or Sensor Cell. A T-Cell sensor is a simple silicon based product that has some level of alcohol specificity, the sensor cell is not specific to alcohol, it responds to other combustible gases and vapors. The sensor cell unit can fail from cigarette smoke, high acidity food products (pizza, Mexican food), high acidity fruits (oranges, lemon, lime), anything-containing alcohol (mouth wash, cough syrup, breath sprays), gasoline fumes, hair spray, perfumes, and colognes. It sounds like the offender with the windshield wiper issue, may have had a device using Sensor cell technology. Fuel Cell, or devices specific to alcohol, will become the standard for all interlocks in Michigan, Oct 2010. We agree that treatment is an important role in helping someone with alcohol issues; unfortunately, the right form of alcohol treatment is not always an available resource. While no technology is 100%, we firmly believe that interlock is a positive public safety tool to separate drinking from driving. We believe it is more productive for DWI offenders to remain in their community, stay licensed, insured and be able to work, go to school and attend alcohol treatment. Having an interlock installed on their car, allows them the flexibility to do all those things, and if perhaps, they drink and are unable to drive their car, no one is harmed, just inconvenienced. Pat, I have a lot of respect for you and your opinions, I disagree with your assertion that Interlocks do not work. We would like to install one on your car for a few weeks. When are you available for an install? Our company only manufacturer’s Fuel cell devices. I know you will have a more respectful opinion of the technology if you would only try it. Debra Coffey Ignition Interlocks are a tool to separate drinking from driving. Proper use eliminates false positives. The majority of interlock clients don’t have any issues with the use of their interlock device and are able to follow their interlock use requirements. Occasionally, we have clients who have failure issues and do not always follow the program instructions they were given. Our typical client base are individuals, who have had a DWI, spend time and money toward their defense, if unlucky, are sentenced, then told they have to go install an interlock, and guess what, “they have to pay for it”. They are not the most cooperative customers, they at times take their anger out on us, since they were unable to take their real anger out on the court, and they feel like they have been taken advantage of, we are the final step. The client with this mind set goes into the interlock experience uncooperative, looking for opportunities to say their interlock does not work.

In the past, The State of Michigan has not required interlocks to be Fuel Cell Devices; they have allowed semiconductor interlock devices, also known as Taguchi Cell, T-Cell or Sensor Cell. A T-Cell sensor is a simple silicon based product that has some level of alcohol specificity, the sensor cell is not specific to alcohol, it responds to other combustible gases and vapors. The sensor cell unit can fail from cigarette smoke, high acidity food products (pizza, Mexican food), high acidity fruits (oranges, lemon, lime), anything-containing alcohol (mouth wash, cough syrup, breath sprays), gasoline fumes, hair spray, perfumes, and colognes. It sounds like the offender with the windshield wiper issue, may have had a device using Sensor cell technology.

Fuel Cell, or devices specific to alcohol, will become the standard for all interlocks in Michigan, Oct 2010.

We agree that treatment is an important role in helping someone with alcohol issues; unfortunately, the right form of alcohol treatment is not always an available resource. While no technology is 100%, we firmly believe that interlock is a positive public safety tool to separate drinking from driving. We believe it is more productive for DWI offenders to remain in their community, stay licensed, insured and be able to work, go to school and attend alcohol treatment. Having an interlock installed on their car, allows them the flexibility to do all those things, and if perhaps, they drink and are unable to drive their car, no one is harmed, just inconvenienced.

Pat, I have a lot of respect for you and your opinions, I disagree with your assertion that Interlocks do not work. We would like to install one on your car for a few weeks. When are you available for an install? Our company only manufacturer’s Fuel cell devices. I know you will have a more respectful opinion of the technology if you would only try it.

Debra Coffey

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